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AND UP NEXT IT IS “HARDBALL” WITH CHRIS MATTHEWS. WITH CHRIS MATTHEWS.>>>THE WHISTLEBLOWER VERSUS THE>>>THE WHISTLEBLOWER VERSUS THE TWEETER. TWEETER. LET’S PLAY HARDBALL. LET’S PLAY HARDBALL. GOOD EVENING, I’M CHRIS MATTHEWS GOOD EVENING, I’M CHRIS MATTHEWS IN WASHINGTON. IN WASHINGTON. FOR TEN DAYS NOW RUNNING IN FACT FOR TEN DAYS NOW RUNNING IN FACT THIS PRESIDENT HAS ATTACKED AND THIS PRESIDENT HAS ATTACKED AND ATTACKED THE WHISTLEBLOWER WHO ATTACKED THE WHISTLEBLOWER WHO DARED TELL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DARED TELL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHAT TRUMP WAS UP TO IN TRADING WHAT TRUMP WAS UP TO IN TRADING U.S. NATIONAL SECURITY FOR U.S. NATIONAL SECURITY FOR SOMETHING HE COULD USE AGAINST SOMETHING HE COULD USE AGAINST HIS POLITICAL RIVALS. HIS POLITICAL RIVALS. IT IS ALL ABOUT TRUMP TRYING TO IT IS ALL ABOUT TRUMP TRYING TO HIDE HIS WRONGDOING NOW BY HIDE HIS WRONGDOING NOW BY MAKING THIS ABOUT HOW HE WAS MAKING THIS ABOUT HOW HE WAS CAUGHT IN THE WRONGDOING. CAUGHT IN THE WRONGDOING. UNABLE TO JUSTIFY HIS BETRAYAL UNABLE TO JUSTIFY HIS BETRAYAL TRUMP’S ATTACKING THE MESSENGER TRUMP’S ATTACKING THE MESSENGER OF COURSE. OF COURSE. LIKE A BOSS IN THE RACKETS HE LIKE A BOSS IN THE RACKETS HE CALLS THE WHISTLEBLOWER’S CALLS THE WHISTLEBLOWER’S SOURCES SPIES AND OBSESSES ABOUT SOURCES SPIES AND OBSESSES ABOUT FINDING OUT THE PERSON EMPHASIS FINDING OUT THE PERSON EMPHASIS TRUE IDENTITY WHICH THE LAW SAYS TRUE IDENTITY WHICH THE LAW SAYS SHOULD BE PROTECTED. SHOULD BE PROTECTED. TRUMP TODAY TWEETED WHY AREN’T TRUMP TODAY TWEETED WHY AREN’T WE ENTITLED TO LEARN ININTERVIEW WE ENTITLED TO LEARN ININTERVIEW THE WHISTLEBLOWER AND ALSO THE THE WHISTLEBLOWER AND ALSO THE PERSON WHO GAVE FALSE PERSON WHO GAVE FALSE INFORMATION TO HIM. INFORMATION TO HIM. TRUMP IS CAUGHT AND REFUSES TO TRUMP IS CAUGHT AND REFUSES TO ADMIT. ADMIT. THE FAKE WHISTLEBLOWER HE THE FAKE WHISTLEBLOWER HE TWEETS, ISN’T HOLDING UP AND TWEETS, ISN’T HOLDING UP AND SAYS HE OR SHE ISN’T A SAYS HE OR SHE ISN’T A WHISTLEBLOWER AFTER ALL. WHISTLEBLOWER AFTER ALL. WELL, IT’S ALL ABOUT PART OF WELL, IT’S ALL ABOUT PART OF WHAT “THE WASHINGTON POST” WHAT “THE WASHINGTON POST” CHARACTERIZED AS AN INCREASINGLY CHARACTERIZED AS AN INCREASINGLY FRENETIC COUNTER ASSAULT FRENETIC COUNTER ASSAULT TARGETING THE ANONYMOUS TARGETING THE ANONYMOUS INTELLIGENCE OFFICER. INTELLIGENCE OFFICER. TRUMP’S STRATEGY, HOWEVER, TRUMP’S STRATEGY, HOWEVER, IGNORES THE FACT THE IGNORES THE FACT THE WHISTLEBLOWER’S COMPLAINT IS NOW WHISTLEBLOWER’S COMPLAINT IS NOW BESIDE THE POINT BECAUSE TRUMP’S BESIDE THE POINT BECAUSE TRUMP’S WRONGDOING IS ALREADY WRONGDOING IS ALREADY ESTABLISHED, WELL-ESTABLISHED BY ESTABLISHED, WELL-ESTABLISHED BY THE WHITE HOUSE SUMMARY OF HIS THE WHITE HOUSE SUMMARY OF HIS CALL WITH UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT CALL WITH UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT ZELENSKY. ZELENSKY. RESPONDING TO THE PRESIDENT’S RESPONDING TO THE PRESIDENT’S ATTACKS ON THE WHISTLEBLOWER ATTACKS ON THE WHISTLEBLOWER DEMOCRATIC SENATOR MARK WARNER DEMOCRATIC SENATOR MARK WARNER OF THE SENATE INTELLIGENCE OF THE SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE SAID THAT KIND OF COMMITTEE SAID THAT KIND OF RHETORIC CAN ONLY SERVE ONE RHETORIC CAN ONLY SERVE ONE PURPOSE, INTIMIDATION OF THIS PURPOSE, INTIMIDATION OF THIS WHISTLEBLOWER. WHISTLEBLOWER. AND WHILE HE DIDN’T MENTION AND WHILE HE DIDN’T MENTION TRUMP BY NAME REPUBLICAN SENATOR TRUMP BY NAME REPUBLICAN SENATOR CHUCK GRASSLY OF INDIANA — OR CHUCK GRASSLY OF INDIANA — OR IOWA RATHER — SAYS THIS PERSON IOWA RATHER — SAYS THIS PERSON APPEARED TO HAVE FOLLOWED THE APPEARED TO HAVE FOLLOWED THE WHISTLEBLOWER PROTECTION LAWS WHISTLEBLOWER PROTECTION LAWS AND OUGHT TO BE HEARD OUT AND AND OUGHT TO BE HEARD OUT AND PROTECTED. PROTECTED. THAT’S FROM ONE OF THE TOP THAT’S FROM ONE OF THE TOP REPUBLICAN SENATORS. REPUBLICAN SENATORS. I’M JOINED NOW BY NED PRICE, A I’M JOINED NOW BY NED PRICE, A FORMER NSC SENIOR DIRECTOR, FORMER NSC SENIOR DIRECTOR, VALERY, A FORMER CIA OPERATIVE VALERY, A FORMER CIA OPERATIVE OFFICER AND CURRENT DEMOCRATIC OFFICER AND CURRENT DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR CONGRESS IN NEW CANDIDATE FOR CONGRESS IN NEW MEXICO. MEXICO. THANK YOU FOR COMING ON TONIGHT THANK YOU FOR COMING ON TONIGHT AND I’M SO SORRY ABOUT YOUR AND I’M SO SORRY ABOUT YOUR EX-HUSBAND, THE MAN WHO’S THE EX-HUSBAND, THE MAN WHO’S THE FATHER OF YOUR CHILDREN. FATHER OF YOUR CHILDREN.>>THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHRIS.>>THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHRIS. I KNOW JOE WATCHED YOU EVERY I KNOW JOE WATCHED YOU EVERY NIGHT AND OF COURSE YOU WERE NIGHT AND OF COURSE YOU WERE ENON THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE ENON THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE STORY BACK IN 2003 WHEN MY CIA STORY BACK IN 2003 WHEN MY CIA COVERT IDENTITY WAS BETRAYED. COVERT IDENTITY WAS BETRAYED. I REMEMBER COMING INTO THE ROOM I REMEMBER COMING INTO THE ROOM AND JOE HANGING UP THE PHONE AND AND JOE HANGING UP THE PHONE AND SAYING CHRIS MATTHEWS JUST SAID SAYING CHRIS MATTHEWS JUST SAID THE WHITE HOUSE CALLED YOU FAIR THE WHITE HOUSE CALLED YOU FAIR GAME, SO OUR FAMILY IS GAME, SO OUR FAMILY IS DEVASTATED. DEVASTATED. AND WE’VE LOST NOT JUST, YOU AND WE’VE LOST NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, FROM A PERSONAL SIDE FROM KNOW, FROM A PERSONAL SIDE FROM A TRUE AMERICAN HERO. A TRUE AMERICAN HERO.>>THANKS FOR COMING ON THIS>>THANKS FOR COMING ON THIS TIME AND ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF TIME AND ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF THE NEWS NOW, AND THE NEWS IS THE NEWS NOW, AND THE NEWS IS ABOUT A WHISTLEBLOWER WHO THIS ABOUT A WHISTLEBLOWER WHO THIS PRESIDENT SEEMS TO TRY TO DIM PRESIDENT SEEMS TO TRY TO DIM DIMUINIZE AND WHAT’S IT LIKE TO DIMUINIZE AND WHAT’S IT LIKE TO BE PART OF THAT TARGETING? BE PART OF THAT TARGETING?>>I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT>>I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT FEELS LIKE. FEELS LIKE. I COMPARE IT TO FALLING DOWN I COMPARE IT TO FALLING DOWN ALICE’S RABBIT HOLE WHERE WHITE ALICE’S RABBIT HOLE WHERE WHITE IS BLACK AND BLACK IS WHITE. IS BLACK AND BLACK IS WHITE. THE SAME THING HAPPENED TO US. THE SAME THING HAPPENED TO US. THE BUSH WHITE HOUSE TRIED TO THE BUSH WHITE HOUSE TRIED TO DEMONIZE US AND MAKE IT ABOUT DEMONIZE US AND MAKE IT ABOUT VALERIE PLAIN AND JOE WILSON AND VALERIE PLAIN AND JOE WILSON AND WHY THERE’S NO WMD IN IRAQ. WHY THERE’S NO WMD IN IRAQ. THIS IS WHAT’S HAPPENING WITH THIS IS WHAT’S HAPPENING WITH TRUMP’S WHISTLEBLOWER. TRUMP’S WHISTLEBLOWER. IT’S ALREADY BEEN CONFIRMED HIS IT’S ALREADY BEEN CONFIRMED HIS WRONGDOING, HIS THREAT TO WRONGDOING, HIS THREAT TO NATIONAL SECURITY. NATIONAL SECURITY. SO HE’S SEEKING TO UNDERMINE THE SO HE’S SEEKING TO UNDERMINE THE WHISTLEBLOWER WHICH ENSHRINED IN WHISTLEBLOWER WHICH ENSHRINED IN LAW SHOULD BE PROTECTED. LAW SHOULD BE PROTECTED. BECAUSE WHAT DOES A BECAUSE WHAT DOES A WHISTLEBLOWER DO? WHISTLEBLOWER DO? THEY’RE SEEKING TO EXPOSE THEY’RE SEEKING TO EXPOSE WRONGDOING, WROUGHT CORRUPTION, WRONGDOING, WROUGHT CORRUPTION, SO TRUMP IS A MASTER AT THIS AND SO TRUMP IS A MASTER AT THIS AND HE’LL CONTINUE DO SO. HE’LL CONTINUE DO SO. I THINK HE’S CAUGHT THIS TIME. I THINK HE’S CAUGHT THIS TIME.>>THIS STRATEGY OF THE>>THIS STRATEGY OF THE PRESIDENT, HE DOES SEEM CAUGHT PRESIDENT, HE DOES SEEM CAUGHT THIS TIME. THIS TIME. HE’S NOT REALLY CHALLENGING WHAT HE’S NOT REALLY CHALLENGING WHAT HE SAID, HE WEAKLY DEFENDS WHAT HE SAID, HE WEAKLY DEFENDS WHAT HE SAYS FOR PARTISAN POLITICAL HE SAYS FOR PARTISAN POLITICAL GAIN, USING U.S. FOREIGN GAIN, USING U.S. FOREIGN MILITARY ASSISTANCE AS HIS MILITARY ASSISTANCE AS HIS LEVER. LEVER. BUT NOW HE’S GOING AFTER WHO’S BUT NOW HE’S GOING AFTER WHO’S HE’S TREATING LIKE A RAT OR HE’S TREATING LIKE A RAT OR FAKE. FAKE.>>IT’S ATTACKING THE FBI FOR>>IT’S ATTACKING THE FBI FOR DOING ITS JOB AND DOING ITS JOB AND INVESTIGATION — INVESTIGATION –>>OH, SPYING ON HIM, THAT’S A>>OH, SPYING ON HIM, THAT’S A NICE WORD. NICE WORD.>>AND ATTACKING THE SPECIAL>>AND ATTACKING THE SPECIAL COUNSEL DESPITE THE SPECIAL COUNSEL DESPITE THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S LONG RECORD OF COUNSEL’S LONG RECORD OF DEDICATED PUBLIC SERVICE AND NOW DEDICATED PUBLIC SERVICE AND NOW ATTACKING A WHISTLEBLOWER. ATTACKING A WHISTLEBLOWER. THE FACTS WILL COME OUT. THE FACTS WILL COME OUT. THERE’S A LOT THERE, AND IT’S THERE’S A LOT THERE, AND IT’S INTERESTING YOU SEE HOW INTERESTING YOU SEE HOW REPUBLICANS NOW, SOME OF THEM REPUBLICANS NOW, SOME OF THEM STARTING TO CAUTION AGAINST STARTING TO CAUTION AGAINST JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS. JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS. BEN SASSE, THE SENATOR FROM BEN SASSE, THE SENATOR FROM NEBRASKA SAID LOTS NOT CIRCLE NEBRASKA SAID LOTS NOT CIRCLE THE WAGONS AROUND THE PRESIDENT THE WAGONS AROUND THE PRESIDENT QUITE YET, LET’S GET THE FACTS. QUITE YET, LET’S GET THE FACTS. AND I THINK YOU’RE SEEING THE AND I THINK YOU’RE SEEING THE RIGHT RESPONSE FROM MANY RIGHT RESPONSE FROM MANY REPUBLICANS FINALLY ON THE HILL REPUBLICANS FINALLY ON THE HILL WHO WANT THE FACTS BEFORE WHO WANT THE FACTS BEFORE RUSHING TO JUDGMENT. RUSHING TO JUDGMENT.>>BACK TO THE POINT HERE IN THE>>BACK TO THE POINT HERE IN THE BEGINNING WHICH WAS IN THE DAYS BEGINNING WHICH WAS IN THE DAYS OF NIXON AND WATERGATE IT WAS, OF NIXON AND WATERGATE IT WAS, YOU KNOW, JOHN DEAN SAID I YOU KNOW, JOHN DEAN SAID I REMEMBER BECAUSE HE HAD A REMEMBER BECAUSE HE HAD A PHOTOGRAPHIC MEMORY AND HE SAID PHOTOGRAPHIC MEMORY AND HE SAID I REMEMBER ALL THESE THINGS I REMEMBER ALL THESE THINGS NIXON SAID. NIXON SAID. BUT WHEN WE GOT THE TAPES OF THE BUT WHEN WE GOT THE TAPES OF THE JUNE 23rd PHONE CALL, THEY USED JUNE 23rd PHONE CALL, THEY USED THE CIA TO COVER FOR THE FBI TO THE CIA TO COVER FOR THE FBI TO GET THE FBI OFF THE CASE, IT WAS GET THE FBI OFF THE CASE, IT WAS ESTABLISHED THAT DEAN WAS RIGHT. ESTABLISHED THAT DEAN WAS RIGHT. THEN YOU MOVE ONTO THE TAPE. THEN YOU MOVE ONTO THE TAPE. NOW WE HAVE THE WHITE HOUSE NOW WE HAVE THE WHITE HOUSE RELEASED MEMO OF THE RELEASED MEMO OF THE CONVERSATION WITH THE UKRAINIAN CONVERSATION WITH THE UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT. WE DON’T NEED THE WHISTLEBLOWER WE DON’T NEED THE WHISTLEBLOWER AND NOW TRUMP IS CHASING AFTER AND NOW TRUMP IS CHASING AFTER THIS WHISTLE MAN OR WOMAN. THIS WHISTLE MAN OR WOMAN. IT’S SICK. IT’S SICK. IT’S ALSO WEIRD BECAUSE THAT’S IT’S ALSO WEIRD BECAUSE THAT’S NOT THE ISSUE ANYMORE, MR. NOT THE ISSUE ANYMORE, MR. PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT.>>WELL, JUNE 23rd BECOMES JULY>>WELL, JUNE 23rd BECOMES JULY 25th. 25th. IT’S THE SAME DYNAMIC. IT’S THE SAME DYNAMIC. I THINK WHAT WE’RE SEEING TRUMP I THINK WHAT WE’RE SEEING TRUMP RECOGNIZE IS THIS SCANDAL, THIS RECOGNIZE IS THIS SCANDAL, THIS BETRAYAL IS TOO BIG FOR HIM TO BETRAYAL IS TOO BIG FOR HIM TO TAKE ON, SO HE HAS TO PER TAKE ON, SO HE HAS TO PER SAWNIFY IT, BOIL IT DOWN TO A SAWNIFY IT, BOIL IT DOWN TO A SINGLE INDIVIDUAL, SOMEONE WHOSE SINGLE INDIVIDUAL, SOMEONE WHOSE AFFILIATIONS HE CAN ATTACK, AFFILIATIONS HE CAN ATTACK, SOMEONE HE CAN UNDERMINE JUST SOMEONE HE CAN UNDERMINE JUST THE WAY HE DID WITH CHRISTOPHER THE WAY HE DID WITH CHRISTOPHER STEELE, WITH BOB MUELLER, WITH STEELE, WITH BOB MUELLER, WITH THE PROSECUTORS. THE PROSECUTORS. WE ALL KNOW THIS IS NOT ABOUT A WE ALL KNOW THIS IS NOT ABOUT A PERSON. PERSON. THIS IS ABOUT OUR DEMOCRACY, OUR THIS IS ABOUT OUR DEMOCRACY, OUR NATIONAL SECURITY. NATIONAL SECURITY. IT’S ABOUT THE SANCTITY OF OUR IT’S ABOUT THE SANCTITY OF OUR ELECTIONS. ELECTIONS.>>YOU COULD TELL THIS FROM>>YOU COULD TELL THIS FROM PERSONAL HISTORY, HE LOOKS FOR PERSONAL HISTORY, HE LOOKS FOR WEAKNESS, THE FACT YOU HAD TO WEAKNESS, THE FACT YOU HAD TO REMAIN IN YOUR ROLE WITH THE REMAIN IN YOUR ROLE WITH THE CIA, THE FACT HE KNEW YOU WANTED CIA, THE FACT HE KNEW YOU WANTED TO STAY AND DO YOUR JOB, HE TO STAY AND DO YOUR JOB, HE PLAYED WITH THAT. PLAYED WITH THAT. NOW TRUMP IS LIKE IF HE FINDS A NOW TRUMP IS LIKE IF HE FINDS A WOMAN WHOSE LOOKS HE DOESN’T WOMAN WHOSE LOOKS HE DOESN’T LIKE, HE ATTACKS HER LOOKS ON LIKE, HE ATTACKS HER LOOKS ON TELEVISION. TELEVISION. IF HE SEES A PERSON WITH A IF HE SEES A PERSON WITH A PHYSICAL DISABILITY, HE ATTACKS PHYSICAL DISABILITY, HE ATTACKS THEIR PHYSICAL DISABILITY. THEIR PHYSICAL DISABILITY. IF HE SEES A PRESIDENT ON THE IF HE SEES A PRESIDENT ON THE BORDER WITH RUSSIA AND RUSSIANS BORDER WITH RUSSIA AND RUSSIANS HAVE ALREADY TAKEN OVER WITH HAVE ALREADY TAKEN OVER WITH THEIR TANKS, NEED SOME AEPT TANK THEIR TANKS, NEED SOME AEPT TANK MISSILE, HE NEEDS SOME JAVELINS MISSILE, HE NEEDS SOME JAVELINS TO STOP THE TANKS, HE SAYS I TO STOP THE TANKS, HE SAYS I GUESS I GOT YOU DOWN WHERE I GUESS I GOT YOU DOWN WHERE I NEED YOU AND I NEED SOME DIRT ON NEED YOU AND I NEED SOME DIRT ON JOE BIDEN. JOE BIDEN. WORKING THE WEAKNESS OF HIS WORKING THE WEAKNESS OF HIS OPPONENTS, IT’S SICK. OPPONENTS, IT’S SICK. YOUR THOUGHTS. YOUR THOUGHTS.>>YES, IT IS.>>YES, IT IS. I WAS REALLY TAKEN WITH AN OP-ED I WAS REALLY TAKEN WITH AN OP-ED PIECE WRITTEN LAST WEEK IN “THE PIECE WRITTEN LAST WEEK IN “THE WASHINGTON POST” BY SEVEN FORMER WASHINGTON POST” BY SEVEN FORMER INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY MEMBERS. INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY MEMBERS. THEY ARE NOW MEMBERS OF THEY ARE NOW MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, AND THEY SAID THE TIME CONGRESS, AND THEY SAID THE TIME HAS COME. HAS COME. THEY HAVE TAKEN AN OATH, AS I THEY HAVE TAKEN AN OATH, AS I DID, TO PROTECT AND DEFEND THE DID, TO PROTECT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION, AND EVERYONE FROM CONSTITUTION, AND EVERYONE FROM SECRETARY POMPEO DOWN HAS TAKEN SECRETARY POMPEO DOWN HAS TAKEN THAT OATH AS WELL, AND THEY NEED THAT OATH AS WELL, AND THEY NEED TO PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION. TO PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION. THAT LOYALTY IS NOT TO A PERSON. THAT LOYALTY IS NOT TO A PERSON. THIS IS NOT A MONARCHY AS HE THIS IS NOT A MONARCHY AS HE SEEMS TO BELIEVE OR A MOB BOSS SEEMS TO BELIEVE OR A MOB BOSS AS HE ACTS LIKE. AS HE ACTS LIKE. SO WE REALLY NEED TO KEEP THAT SO WE REALLY NEED TO KEEP THAT IN MIND. IN MIND. WHAT THE WHISTLEBLOWER DID WAS WHAT THE WHISTLEBLOWER DID WAS REALLY PATRIOTIC. REALLY PATRIOTIC. HIS IDENTITY SHOULD BE FURTHER HIS IDENTITY SHOULD BE FURTHER PROTECTED. PROTECTED. IT PROBABLY WON’T BE, IT SEEMS. IT PROBABLY WON’T BE, IT SEEMS. BUT WHAT HE DID WAS REALLY BUT WHAT HE DID WAS REALLY COURAGEOUS IN COMING FORWARD. COURAGEOUS IN COMING FORWARD.>>WELL, AMID THE PRESIDENT’S>>WELL, AMID THE PRESIDENT’S EFFORTS TO INTIMIDATE THE EFFORTS TO INTIMIDATE THE WHISTLEBLOWER SECRETARY OF STATE WHISTLEBLOWER SECRETARY OF STATE MIKE POMPEO TODAY REFUSED THE MIKE POMPEO TODAY REFUSED THE CONGRESSIONAL REQUEST FOR SWORN CONGRESSIONAL REQUEST FOR SWORN DEPOSITIONS FROM FIVE CURRENT DEPOSITIONS FROM FIVE CURRENT AND FORMER STATE DEPARTMENT AND FORMER STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS TRYING TO BLOCK KEY OFFICIALS TRYING TO BLOCK KEY OFFICIALS IN THE WHISTLEBLOWER’S OFFICIALS IN THE WHISTLEBLOWER’S COMPLAINT FROM TESTIFYING. COMPLAINT FROM TESTIFYING. IN A LETTER POMPEO ACCUSED HOUSE IN A LETTER POMPEO ACCUSED HOUSE DEMOCRATS OF CATCH THIS, TRYING DEMOCRATS OF CATCH THIS, TRYING TO, QUOTE, INTIMIDATE, BULLY AND TO, QUOTE, INTIMIDATE, BULLY AND TREAT HIM PROPERLY CAREER TREAT HIM PROPERLY CAREER DIPLOMATS AT THE CENTER OF THE DIPLOMATS AT THE CENTER OF THE REQUEST. REQUEST. TWO OF THOSE FIVE OFFICIALS ARE TWO OF THOSE FIVE OFFICIALS ARE STILL SAID TO BE DEPOSED STILL SAID TO BE DEPOSED ACCORDING TO NBC NEWS AND ACCORDING TO NBC NEWS AND ANOTHER BREAKING DEVELOPMENT ANOTHER BREAKING DEVELOPMENT TONIGHT NBC NEWS REPORTS THE TONIGHT NBC NEWS REPORTS THE INSPECTOR GENERAL AT THE STATE INSPECTOR GENERAL AT THE STATE DEPARTMENT TODAY REQUESTED AN DEPARTMENT TODAY REQUESTED AN URGENT MEETING FOR TOMORROW TO URGENT MEETING FOR TOMORROW TO BRIEF KEY COMMITTEES OF THE BRIEF KEY COMMITTEES OF THE HILL, OF THE HOUSE ABOUT HILL, OF THE HOUSE ABOUT DOCUMENTS RELATED TO UKRAINE. DOCUMENTS RELATED TO UKRAINE. AND SO HERE’S WHAT’S GOING ON AND SO HERE’S WHAT’S GOING ON NOW. NOW. ISSUING SUBPOENAS FOR SWORN ISSUING SUBPOENAS FOR SWORN DEPOSITIONS IS A NORMAL WAY DEPOSITIONS IS A NORMAL WAY CONGRESS GETS INFORMATION. CONGRESS GETS INFORMATION. IT’S NOT INTIMIDATING, IT’S IT’S NOT INTIMIDATING, IT’S TRYING TO GET THE PEOPLE PERHAPS TRYING TO GET THE PEOPLE PERHAPS WHO GAVE THE INFORMATION TO THE WHO GAVE THE INFORMATION TO THE WHISTLE-BLOWER TO DO SO WHISTLE-BLOWER TO DO SO PUBLICLY, BUT IT’S CERTAINLY A PUBLICLY, BUT IT’S CERTAINLY A LEGITIMATE USE OF THE CHECKS AND LEGITIMATE USE OF THE CHECKS AND BALANCES. BALANCES.>>THE MIKE POMPEO OF TODAY OF>>THE MIKE POMPEO OF TODAY OF 2019 WOULD HAVE SOME VERY HARSH 2019 WOULD HAVE SOME VERY HARSH WORDS OF THE MIKE POMPEO OF WORDS OF THE MIKE POMPEO OF 2012. 2012. HE WAS ONE OF THE CHIEF AUTHORS HE WAS ONE OF THE CHIEF AUTHORS AND PROPAGATORS OF THE BENGHAZI AND PROPAGATORS OF THE BENGHAZI CONSPIRACY THEORIES AND HE CONSPIRACY THEORIES AND HE RAILED AGAINST THE OBAMA RAILED AGAINST THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION. ADMINISTRATION. HE ACCUSED THE OBAMA HE ACCUSED THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION OF STONE WALLING ADMINISTRATION OF STONE WALLING WHEN IN THAT CASE THE OBAMA WHEN IN THAT CASE THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TURNED OVER TENS ADMINISTRATION TURNED OVER TENS AND THOUSANDS OF AGENTS AND AND THOUSANDS OF AGENTS AND COULD NEVER — COULD NEVER –>>I’M REALIZING WHAT’S — I>>I’M REALIZING WHAT’S — I THOUGHT POMPEO WAS JUST AN THOUGHT POMPEO WAS JUST AN AMBITIOUS GUY. AMBITIOUS GUY. I THOUGHT HE WAS ANOTHER ONE OF I THOUGHT HE WAS ANOTHER ONE OF THESE PEOPLE GOT TO PLAY BALL THESE PEOPLE GOT TO PLAY BALL WITH TRUMP. WITH TRUMP. NOW I’M FINDING OUT HE LIKE NOW I’M FINDING OUT HE LIKE WILLIAM BARR ARE TRUMPIAN. WILLIAM BARR ARE TRUMPIAN. THEY BELIEVE IN ALL THESE CRAZY THEY BELIEVE IN ALL THESE CRAZY RIGHT WING TRUMPIAN CONSPIRACY RIGHT WING TRUMPIAN CONSPIRACY THEORIES. THEORIES. THEY CAN PULL HIM DOWN THE THEY CAN PULL HIM DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE WITH THIS NONSENSE. RABBIT HOLE WITH THIS NONSENSE. HE BELIEVES THEM. HE BELIEVES THEM. THE SERVERS OVER IN KIEV THE SERVERS OVER IN KIEV SOMEWHERE, THE DNC — HOW DID SOMEWHERE, THE DNC — HOW DID THEY GET OVER THERE? THEY GET OVER THERE? AS LONG AS THEY CAN CREATE A AS LONG AS THEY CAN CREATE A CRAZY DISTRACTION. CRAZY DISTRACTION.>>THE PROBLEM I THINK FOR THE>>THE PROBLEM I THINK FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND DEPARTMENT OF STATE IS AT LEAST DEPARTMENT OF STATE IS AT LEAST HALF OF WASHINGTON DOES BELIEVE HALF OF WASHINGTON DOES BELIEVE THAT ABOUT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL THAT ABOUT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND SECRETARY. AND SECRETARY.>>THEY’RE A PART OF THIS>>THEY’RE A PART OF THIS PROCESS. PROCESS.>>WHETHER THEY ARE OR NOT CAN>>WHETHER THEY ARE OR NOT CAN BE DEBATED BUT IT’S UNUSUAL FOR BE DEBATED BUT IT’S UNUSUAL FOR WASHINGTON TO THINK BOTH CABINET WASHINGTON TO THINK BOTH CABINET SAERKS ARE IN THE TANK FOR THE SAERKS ARE IN THE TANK FOR THE PRESIDENT, FOR POLITICAL PRESIDENT, FOR POLITICAL REASONS. REASONS.>>THAT THE BETTER THAN THINKING>>THAT THE BETTER THAN THINKING THERE’S AN INVASION OF THE BODY THERE’S AN INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS HERE, THAT PEOPLE ARE SNATCHERS HERE, THAT PEOPLE ARE REALLY TAKEN OVER MENTALLY BY REALLY TAKEN OVER MENTALLY BY THIS GUY’S THINKING? THIS GUY’S THINKING? THAT’S SCARY. THAT’S SCARY.>>IT’S HARD TO EXPLAIN, BUT,>>IT’S HARD TO EXPLAIN, BUT, AGAIN, IF THE PERCEPTION IS THAT AGAIN, IF THE PERCEPTION IS THAT DOJ IS NOT PLAYING IT STRAIGHT DOJ IS NOT PLAYING IT STRAIGHT OR THAT THE STATE DEPARTMENT IS OR THAT THE STATE DEPARTMENT IS NOT PLAYING IT STRAIGHT AND IS NOT PLAYING IT STRAIGHT AND IS INSTEAD, YOU KNOW, PLAYING INSTEAD, YOU KNOW, PLAYING POLITICS, IT’S NOT GOOD FOR THE POLITICS, IT’S NOT GOOD FOR THE RULE OF LAW AND FOR OUR SYSTEM RULE OF LAW AND FOR OUR SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT. OF GOVERNMENT.>>VALERIE, PEOPLE LIKE YOU, I>>VALERIE, PEOPLE LIKE YOU, I KNOW PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO HAVE KNOW PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO HAVE JOINED ADMINISTRATIONS OVER THE JOINED ADMINISTRATIONS OVER THE YEARS, NOT CIVIL SERVANTS, NOT YEARS, NOT CIVIL SERVANTS, NOT DEMOCRATS OR REPUBLICANS. DEMOCRATS OR REPUBLICANS. THEY JUST LOVE THIS COUNTRY ARE THEY JUST LOVE THIS COUNTRY ARE WILLING TO SERVE IN DANGEROUS WILLING TO SERVE IN DANGEROUS ROLES, ESPECIALLY DEEP ROLES, ESPECIALLY DEEP BACKGROUND OVERSEAS. BACKGROUND OVERSEAS. WE USED TO GIVE THEM AWARDS TO WE USED TO GIVE THEM AWARDS TO THEM. THEM. BECAUSE WE COULDN’T DO IT BECAUSE WE COULDN’T DO IT PUBLICLY, WE HAD TO GIVE THEM PUBLICLY, WE HAD TO GIVE THEM SECRET AWARDS BECAUSE THEY MIGHT SECRET AWARDS BECAUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN KALED IN ACTION AND HAVE BEEN KALED IN ACTION AND YOU CAN’T EVEN TALK ABOUT THESE YOU CAN’T EVEN TALK ABOUT THESE PEOPLE, TRUE SPIES, THE GOOD PEOPLE, TRUE SPIES, THE GOOD SPIES. SPIES. AND WHAT DO THEY THINK OF THIS AND WHAT DO THEY THINK OF THIS CROWD THAT RUNS THE COUNTRY CROWD THAT RUNS THE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW, THE POMPEOS AND BARRS RIGHT NOW, THE POMPEOS AND BARRS OF THIS PRESIDENT? OF THIS PRESIDENT?>>YOU SERVE OVERSEAS NOT AN A>>YOU SERVE OVERSEAS NOT AN A REPUBLICAN, NOT A DEMOCRAT, YOU REPUBLICAN, NOT A DEMOCRAT, YOU SERVE AS AN AMERICAN. SERVE AS AN AMERICAN. AND THEY ARE ALL SICK AND TIRED AND THEY ARE ALL SICK AND TIRED OF THE PRESIDENT DENIGRATING OF THE PRESIDENT DENIGRATING EVERYONE WITHIN THE INTELLIGENCE EVERYONE WITHIN THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY. COMMUNITY. HE’S CALLED THEM NAMES. HE’S CALLED THEM NAMES. HE’S UNDERMINED THEM, AND AS A HE’S UNDERMINED THEM, AND AS A RESULT IT’S BEEN QUITE HARMFUL RESULT IT’S BEEN QUITE HARMFUL TO OUR NATIONAL SECURITY. TO OUR NATIONAL SECURITY. I JOINED THE CIA BECAUSE I I JOINED THE CIA BECAUSE I WANTED TO SERVE MY COUNTRY. WANTED TO SERVE MY COUNTRY. THAT’S WHY I’M RUNNING. THAT’S WHY I’M RUNNING. AGAIN, I THINK OUR INSTITUTIONS AGAIN, I THINK OUR INSTITUTIONS ARE UNDER ATTACKCH I WANT TO GET ARE UNDER ATTACKCH I WANT TO GET BACK INTO A PUBLIC SERVICE ROLE BACK INTO A PUBLIC SERVICE ROLE AND BE ABLE TO DO WHAT I CAN FOR AND BE ABLE TO DO WHAT I CAN FOR MY COMMUNITY AND FOR MY COUNTRY. MY COMMUNITY AND FOR MY COUNTRY.>>AFTER BEING SERVED WITH A>>AFTER BEING SERVED WITH A SUBPOENA FOR DOCUMENTS YESTERDAY SUBPOENA FOR DOCUMENTS YESTERDAY TRUMP LAWYER RUDY GIULIANI SAID TRUMP LAWYER RUDY GIULIANI SAID HE’S WEIGHING WHETHER OR NOT TO HE’S WEIGHING WHETHER OR NOT TO COMPLY. COMPLY.>>WELL, I DON’T KNOW, I’M>>WELL, I DON’T KNOW, I’M WEIGHING THE ALTERNATIVES, I’LL WEIGHING THE ALTERNATIVES, I’LL KIND OF LIKE GO THROUGH IT. KIND OF LIKE GO THROUGH IT. I’LL GET ALL MY EVIDENCE I’LL GET ALL MY EVIDENCE TOGETHER, MY CHARTS. TOGETHER, MY CHARTS. I DON’T KNOW IF THEY’LL LET ME I DON’T KNOW IF THEY’LL LET ME USE VIDEO RECORDINGS OR TAPE USE VIDEO RECORDINGS OR TAPE RECORDINGS I HAVE. RECORDINGS I HAVE. IT WAS CLEARLY UNDER MY IT WAS CLEARLY UNDER MY RESPONSIBILITY AS THE LAWYER FOR RESPONSIBILITY AS THE LAWYER FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. STATES.>>WELL, GIULIANI, ALSO TOLD NBC>>WELL, GIULIANI, ALSO TOLD NBC NEWS, QUOTE, I THINK IT’S NEWS, QUOTE, I THINK IT’S EXTRAORDINARY PEOPLE ARE ASKING EXTRAORDINARY PEOPLE ARE ASKING ME WILL I COMPLY. ME WILL I COMPLY. NO ONE SEEMS CONCERNED THIS IS A NO ONE SEEMS CONCERNED THIS IS A SUBPOENA ON AN ATTORNEY. SUBPOENA ON AN ATTORNEY. NOW, HE’S DANCING IN THE END NOW, HE’S DANCING IN THE END ZONE THERE. ZONE THERE. IT’S LIKE HE’S LOVING THIS WEIRD IT’S LIKE HE’S LOVING THIS WEIRD ROLE HE’S IN RIGHT NOW. ROLE HE’S IN RIGHT NOW.>>I THINK GIULIANI PROBABLY>>I THINK GIULIANI PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE CONSIDERED HIS SHOULD HAVE CONSIDERED HIS OPTIONS BEFORE HE WENT ON FOX OPTIONS BEFORE HE WENT ON FOX NEWS MULTIPLE TIMES AND HELD UP NEWS MULTIPLE TIMES AND HELD UP HIS CELLPHONE AND SAID ALL THE HIS CELLPHONE AND SAID ALL THE TEXTS ARE RIGHT THERE. TEXTS ARE RIGHT THERE.>>I HAVE HERE 265 NAMES OF>>I HAVE HERE 265 NAMES OF COMMUNISTS — HE DIDN’T. COMMUNISTS — HE DIDN’T.>>HE’S MADE IT VERY HARD FOR>>HE’S MADE IT VERY HARD FOR HIMSELF I THINK TO AVOID A HIMSELF I THINK TO AVOID A SUBPOENA. SUBPOENA. IF RUDY GIULIANI DEFIES IF RUDY GIULIANI DEFIES CONGRESS, DEFIES THE LAW IN THIS CONGRESS, DEFIES THE LAW IN THIS CASE, THE BEST PROSECUTION, THE CASE, THE BEST PROSECUTION, THE BEST WITNESS AGAINST RUDY BEST WITNESS AGAINST RUDY GIULIANI WILL BE RUDY GIULIANI GIULIANI WILL BE RUDY GIULIANI ON FOX NEWS READING THOSE TEXTS, ON FOX NEWS READING THOSE TEXTS, MAKING THE CASE THAT HE HAS MAKING THE CASE THAT HE HAS PERTINENT RECORDS, THAT HE KNOWS PERTINENT RECORDS, THAT HE KNOWS AND HE HAS RECORDS THAT CONGRESS AND HE HAS RECORDS THAT CONGRESS SHOULD CERTAINLY HAVE ACCESS TO. SHOULD CERTAINLY HAVE ACCESS TO.>>LET’S HOPE WE HAVE A GOOD>>LET’S HOPE WE HAVE A GOOD TRIAL IN THIS PRESIDENCY AND TRIAL IN THIS PRESIDENCY AND THESE PEOPLE ARE CALLED TO THESE PEOPLE ARE CALLED TO WITNESS AND THEY HAVE TO ANSWER WITNESS AND THEY HAVE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS UNDER OATH. QUESTIONS UNDER OATH. THAT SEEMS TO CHANGE THINGS WHEN THAT SEEMS TO CHANGE THINGS WHEN YOU HAVE TO SPEAK UNDER OATH. YOU HAVE TO SPEAK UNDER OATH. GOOD LUCK IN YOUR CAMPAIGN. GOOD LUCK IN YOUR CAMPAIGN. WE WANT YOU TO DO WELL OUT WE WANT YOU TO DO WELL OUT THERE. THERE. IT’S GREAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE

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